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February 17, 2005

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Joe Kendrick

The Phoenix

Kevin

I dunno, but I'd read it.

Brandon

Ah...you could get Strang to float you a loan...

......wait....nevermind....then you'd be required to publish crap.

Dave Rattigan

Are you familiar with the British magazine Third Way?

http://www.thirdway.org.uk/

Bob

"the parish", of course!

Kevin

Which Strang: Papa Strang or Baby Strang?

greg

Kevin,

I have a friend that writes for Relevant, so I'll be nice. Charisma is a piece of crap. Always has been. I frequently read magazines that come from a perspective with which I disagree. If it's well-written, I consider that a good exercise in hearing the other sides of a matter. Charisma has nothing going for it if you're not sold on TBN/Charismatic Christianity.

I was hopeful when I first heard about Relevant. But the title should have tipped me off. The world doesn't need the church to be relevant in the way church growth folks and evangelicals think about relevancy. I keep beating the Hauerwas drum here, but the world needs the church to be the church so that the world will know it's the world. And I'm not even sure what "progressive culture" means from Relevant's perspective. Progressing toward what? Away from what? If it's a magazine for the Church, do they believe the rest of us are regressive culture?This week they are featuring a poll: what time do you go to sleep? This just speaks to how shallow they believe their readership is, I think. As I said, I have a friend who writes for them; maybe she can effect some change in her area. I'm sure she can.

greg

Dave,

I spent some time in Third Way's archives. It looks excellent. Thanks for the recommendation. Since I'm sick today, I'll poke around in the archives throughout the day.

Phil

Just a thought. What if you named it after a theologian that you respected and, possibly, embodied what you were trying to communicate. this might accomplish: 1) being catchy, 2) attracting potential readers, and 3) getting them interested in solid theology. Who knows? Maybe they'll even pick up one of Bruggeman's books?

ideas:

the Yoderite

Wink & Nod

Wind in the Willimon

Big Brugger

Jergen Schmergen


I'm only half-kidding. think about it. I'd be happy to help in any way possible. except give you money, of course.

Bob Smietana

Greg,

Authentic's got to be in the title. How about "Real Christians" or "Authentic Believer" or "Better Christians"


Some good Christian mags:


US Catholic (http://uscatholic.org/), has a mix of provocative interviews, in depth features, thoughtful theological reflections, columnist that make you think, and witty covers. The March issue's got an indepth piece on the atonement that you'd like.

Christianity Today's got a interview with Eugene Peterson in March with this line, "How do we meet needs? The Jesus way, or the WalMart way?" among other gems. Ron Sider will be in the May issue.

The Covenant Companion, of course, takes the cake

Kevin

Greg,

I've written for Relevant a handful of times, both the website and print version. We have a love/hate relationship. I'm pleased that they're trying to connect with people outside the "traditional church." I'm also encouraged that they have something of a social conscience (lots of talk about AIDS, for instance). My wife and I also found our church through their website, which we really love.

But there's a lot of superficial claptrap. The fact that Jesus is now present in pop culture does not make Jesus relevant (just like celebrities are not news, despite the news media spending half its time covering them). The polls are indeed very telling. So are the Slices, which are often inaccurate or downright false.

Kristen

Please don't tiptoe around Relevant on my behalf. I'm grateful to them for letting me write for them when I had never written for anyone else, and I'm going to do my best to cover classics and theology and more heavy-hitting stuff on my page for them, but Relevant's def. got it's problems and silliness. No defensiveness here.

eddie

I think bob's ideas for names come across as kind of "I am better than you", but hey, it is a Christian Magazine right?

I think the key in starting you mag would be not to follow Relevent in Content but in how they started on the internet. I have a Friend, You know him as Dirk, whose online mag is starting to get tons of Hits and is attracting attention from PR people wanting to push thier clients through his very focused group page. The internet is really a "low-risk" investment that could start to pay off. It would be easy to take what you are doing here trasfer it to your own website and start building a following. From ther your get spread your propaganda around the world.

unless you have a rich Dad, like the relevent guy, It is probably very risky to start a magazine.

You should Check out Dirk's page. You'll see what market he is going for and why it works so well for him on the internet. www.thebeefboy.com


EDd

Bob

I don't see a trackback url, so here's the trackback:

From the Parish, a concept for a Christian magazine that I would not only read, but pay money for. As for a title, how about Progressive Christian: the magazine of the Progressive Christian Bloggers Network. Joking, but only kind of.

http://iamachristiantoo.org/index.php?p=72

Brandon

Greg,

Have you ever thought of sending something to "First Things"?

greg

Brandon,

The fact that First Things uses Scalia as a good example of Catholic Christianity is scary to me. However, I've read the magazine from time to time, and even subscribed once. It's a little to high-brow for my taste, and tends to focus on politics more than I care for. All in all, it's an excellent piece of work.

Bob,

Or anyone. It's scary that I've been blogging for 18 months and still don't know what a trackback is or is for. Help?

Justin

Why do we need another magazine?

greg

Justin,

I don't know that need is the right word. I'd just like to have something worth reading instead of all the conservative and shallow crap that's out there.

Bob

Greg -

Sorry, I'm a bit newer at this than you, and I thought that most blogging software supported trackbacks. A trackback is a url from your post that I enter when I post that makes my post show up as a comment to yours (clear as mud?) Just a way to do automatically what I did manually.

Bob

Justin

Greg, I find more than enough good reading material online. A collaborative weblog of skilled and intelligent contributors, editorial oversight, and a conscious effort by contributors to reduce or condense their output on their personal sites might not be a bad idea. Let it grow and die with readership.

Resident Atheist

Trackbacks are basically the automated way of telling somebody and all her readers that you've done a blog entry on one of her blog entries.

greg

So basically I just need to click "accept trackbacks" when I post?

Resident Atheist

I don't use Typepad, so I don't know for sure, but that sounds right.

jvpastor

I'm getting in a little late on this convo, but I think the idea of a better Christian mag has some promise. When I was reading "Scandal" I was discouraged that there wasn't something out there to begin expanding my mind that was "Christian." I had become accustomed to looking for cultural away from the church for so long I didn't know there should be other options.

djchuang

Sad reality of life, and supply vs. demand, substantive vs. shallow [shallow people outnumber substantive people].

Regeneration Quarterly was a great magazine, in the ballpark of what you're yearning for, but not enough readership to keep it alive. A Canadian counterpart called BEYOND http://www.beyondmag.com/ is trying a different business model, with no ads and higher subscription cost. (It doesn't look to me like a break-even price, but they're trying..)

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